Zettelkasten note-taking in 10 minutes

2020-06-078:25329124blog.viktomas.com

Update: I wrote an article about what I’ve learned from using Zettelkasten for 16 months, you might be interested in reading it. Reading is hard and books don’t work. Zettelkasten aka slip-box note…

Update: I wrote an article about what I’ve learned from using Zettelkasten for 16 months, you might be interested in reading it.

Reading is hard and books don’t work. Zettelkasten aka slip-box note-taking is the new cool kid on the block. Don’t go down the same rabbit hole as I did, researching the method for tens of hours. This article should be enough of the introduction to get you started.

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Why

Slip-box method promises to prevent your notes from piling up deep within your note-taking app and being forgotten. Instead, using this method will improve the value of your notes as you create more of them. This method also gives you better and quicker feedback than usual note-taking.

Advice #1: Don’t try to get this method perfect from the get go1. The advanced practices are useful only when you’ve got close to 1000 notes2.

As with everything else you want to utilize iteration. Read this article, use it to create your first couple hundred notes and then research more details if you feel like your current process should be improved.

The slip-box method

The source for the method summary is Sönke Ahrens' book How to Take Smart Notes. I only added the technical aspects.

You write notes with a clear purpose: your future self is going to be reorganizing them and using them to produce articles or books.

You fill your slip-box with notes by following this process:

1) make notes as you read

Advice #2: Always use your own words. Copying doesn’t give you feedback on your understanding.

Let’s call these resource notes. Writing resource notes is where you get the first feedback from the method: Are you paying attention and do you understand the text? At this step, you are not trying to predict how your notes are going to fit in the slip-box, you are just trying to capture the essence of the text.

You can use a separate app like Zotero for these notes. But I recommend having them as Markdown files in a Resources folder

Folder structure so far:

└── Resources
    └── Sonke Ahrens - How to Take Smart Notes.md

Reference note:

---
title: How to Take Smart Notes: One Simple Technique to Boost Writing, Learning and Thinking – for Students, Academics and Nonfiction Book Writers
author: Sönke Ahrens
type: book
link: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34507927-how-to-take-smart-notes
---
# How to Take Smart Notes

- **Short feedback loop** - Writing literary notes provides quick feedback on our understanding of the text. We double-check this understanding when we try to make permanent notes out of the literary notes. (p54) - Fleeting notes - they are supposed to capture an idea for a brief period before it is processed, 1 or 2 days max (p43)

The file content format is arbitrary, I choose to use Frontmatter for the metadata, but it’s not that important.

2) write atomic, self-contained, permanent notes

Remember, the purpose of slip-box is to aid your future self to make use of the notes for writing. The main unit of information within the method is a permanent note. This note is:

  • atomic: always focused on a single topic, that makes linking notes easier
  • self-contained: you will forget the context in a few weeks, the note needs to explain itself in separation from the fleeting context
  • permanent: you are never going to delete the note, it might just fade into the background if there aren’t many links to it
  • concise: few paragraphs maximum, restricting the size helps you get the gist and keep the note atomic

You try to turn you reference notes into permanent notes whilst avoiding conflict of concepts and duplication, these problems show the clearest when you think “How am I going to link this note to the other of my slip-box notes?”

Permanent notes are just markdown files in a separate folder. These files need to have a unique identifier so other notes can link to them unambiguously.

Folder structure so far:

├── Resources
│   └── Sonke Ahrens - How to Take Smart Notes.md
└── Permanent notes
    └── 20200605153129 Slip-box.md

The purpose of linking is to give you feedback, avoid duplication and capture the context of the permanent note. Ask yourself: How does the piece of information fit into the network of my permanent notes? Does it complement, contradict or otherwise interfere with your current notes?

The linking is done by placing links like these [[20200606154308]] into notes. Most of the slip-box software allows you to click on this link and opens a note with ID 20200606154308 for you.

Folder structure so far:

├── Resources
│   └── Sonke Ahrens - How to Take Smart Notes.md
└── Permanent notes
    ├── 20200605145305 Slip-box software.md
    └── 20200605153129 Slip-box.md

File 20200606154308 Slip-box.md:

# Slip-box

... See also: - [[20200605145305]] Slip-box software
graph LR;
A["20200605153129 Slip-box"] -- "[[20200605145305]]" --> B[20200605145305 Slip-box software]

4) tag permanent notes

Advice #3: Tag the notes by the context you would like to retrieve it by

Example: You have a note on Stanford prison experiment3. Using tags like #psychology #experiment is hardly going to aid you in finding this note when you are writing or thinking about a problem. Better would be #"power dynamics in groups" #"misuse of power"

The software

This is the part that took me a long time to research. But it is simple.

Use Zettlr. It’s Free and Open-Source, uses Markdown files and it’s vendor agnostic. It’s the only app you need, you can migrate to other apps later if you decide to.

Zettlr in 2 minutes

  1. Download and install Zettlr (on Mac brew cask install Zettlr)
  2. Set it up for Zettelkasten
  3. Create a new note (CMD+N), add name the generated ID (e.g. 20200606154308 My first note.md)
  4. Create a second note (e.g. 20200605145305 My second note.md)
  5. Link from first note to second note by typing [[ in the first note and using auto-complete

Alternatives

  • Archive - looks great, no vendor lock-in, but not open-source and it is macOS only
  • nvAlt Famous notational velocity.
  • Zotero - you might want to add this to your toolbox if you plan on academic publication of your work. Overkill for anyone else.

Example slip-box

The closest to a full slip-box example are Andy Matuschak’s notes.

Conclusion

This should be enough detail to get you started. The critical idea is atomic notes linked together. That prevents the notes from being forgotten somewhere deep in your note-taking app.

Zettlr is a good app to start with. The slip-box is just a few text files linked together with unique ids. Many other apps support the same linking style as Zettlr.

Don’t do a big migration of your current notes. You can migrate them when you are planning to use them.

Update: I wrote an article about what I’ve learned from using Zettelkasten for 16 months, you might be interested in reading it.

This article has been translated to Russian language by Vladimir on softdroid.net.


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Comments

  • By ThePhysicist 2020-06-079:559 reply

    After trying so many productivtiy tools in the past I settled on having two ordinary notebooks where I keep all my ideas and notes: One for the business side, where I write down meeting minutes and insights, in chronological order. Another one for technical and creative thoughts, also organized in a linear, chronological fashion. In addition I sometimes keep lab notebooks for specific projects.

    If I look for some specific information (e.g. whom I talked to in a given meeting and what the take-aways were) I typically know the rough date range when I wrote that information down, so I just go through the notebook entries until I find it. Same with the lab and creative notebooks.

    Another advantage is that writing by hand allows you to draw diagrams and write equations with ease. In my opinion nothing beats a paper notebook in this regard. I tried the new iPads and MS Surface tablets but the note-taking experience is just not the same and the results look disappointing IMHO. Also, if I really need to record an image or computer-generated diagram I simply print it, cut it out and glue it into the notebook.

    My former colleagues in science used the same method of keeping lab books for decades with great success, I have never heard of anyone using a system like Zettelkasten (but maybe that's just my bubble).

    • By lukevp 2020-06-0713:471 reply

      Totally agree. Organizing notes into hierarchies is not necessary, most of the time you just care about whether it’s a business note or personal. Chronology is an organization method already available regardless of the note data, and we as humans experience most things rooted in time so it’s easy to recall a rough range as well.

      I have also done the dance of going through various productivity tools and have often ended up back in the paper notebook camp. If you are interested in trying another tool out, I’d really love to know what you think of an app I am building. It is meant to be very lightweight with just one screen, and start up really fast, but when logged in, also lets you sync across all devices you have.

      It’s available at https://notebrook.app with code ALPHA2020. Everyone is welcome to try. hello@notebrook.com for feedback. I think it’s striking a good balance so far of being extremely lightweight but also let’s you recall when you need.

      • By fouric 2020-06-0719:42

        > Organizing notes into hierarchies is not necessary, most of the time you just care about whether it’s a business note or personal.

        ...for some (most?) people. For others, like me, it simply is necessary - we have too many notes, ideas, reminders, thoughts, whatever, of too wide a variety, to use the system described by GP comment, or yours.

    • By wenc 2020-06-0714:171 reply

      I use paper notepads too. Two things I do:

      1. I put lists in the notes and mark them up with these symbols (inspired by the bullet journal community):

      ◯ = task, ◐ = in-progress, ● = completed, > = migrated.

      2. I also require that the notepads have perforations on every page so that individual pages can be torn out. This is important for keeping the notepad uncluttered -- and lowers the inhibition to freeflow write, because if things don't work out, the page can be torn out.

      The Rhodia A5 Dotpad is my go-to

      https://www.jetpens.com/Rhodia-DotPad-Notepad-No.-16-A5-Wire...

      • By avian 2020-06-0715:112 reply

        The two biggest takeaways from Bullet Journal for me were the task markup you mention and numbered pages + index. When I have to refer to some previous work I did, I note the past page numbers I had to look up. It's a simple way of cross-linking notes, but I find that it works quite well for me.

        I try to avoid notebooks with tearable pages, because I found them to be too fragile. I carry my most recent notebook everywhere and some of them end up quite beat up. Tearable pages tend to start falling out on their own.

        • By wenc 2020-06-0717:021 reply

          > I try to avoid notebooks with tearable pages, because I found them to be too fragile.

          So in my experience Rhodia (and other "higher-end" perforated) notepads are pretty sturdy and tend not to fall apart even with rougher than usual handling (mine haven't). There is a slight price premium however.

          • By avian 2020-06-0718:021 reply

            I believe it works well for you. For me one of the important parts that got me to consistently write a journal years ago was also switching to the cheapest notebooks I could get.

            With something (relatively) expensive I always had that small, subconscious fear that what I have to write in the notebook wasn't worth ruining the page.

            • By ubercow13 2020-06-0718:42

              One way to avoid this is to buy something like Rhodia that you want to use but is a bit more expensive. Then buy one even more expensive notebook. Now the Rhodia is your cheaper notebook and there is no longer an inhibition to writing in it!

              (Yes this actually happened to me)

        • By gglitch 2020-06-0715:59

          The most useful Bullet Journal lesson for me was having periodic task migrations (weekly, in my case). Infinite task lists don't work for me.

    • By milchek 2020-06-0712:28

      I adopted the exact same technique this year after making the jump from engineering to product management.

      Previously, everything was scattered in notes on sublime or notion. This is because in the dev world, everything was happening primarily over email or slack, if i ever did have a call with a client, i just made dot points in a text editor and that was it.

      My first week as a PM I realized how much more meetings and talking there are. So, I switched to a notebook, but I quickly found the issue of general meeting and “standup” notes being scattered amongst drawings and diagrams etc.

      Hence, I now also have two small notebooks. One is for sketches, rough wireframes or ideas, the other is a daily tasks which I use as my standup notes.

      Of course, processes can always be further refined, and I’m now also incorporating notion back into my work process.

    • By bachmeier 2020-06-0713:091 reply

      Paper and digital note systems are not in conflict. When I'm working through the math in a paper, I'm not going to type 50 lines of equations into a text editor. I take a picture of my notes, upload it to OneNote, and copy the link into my text notes on the paper. It's surprising, but you can have a 100% digital note system while using paper for 90% of your notetaking.

      • By lukebyear 2020-06-0713:591 reply

        For years I took notes both with pen/paper and digitally, and either cross-referenced things or scanned pages into a master digital document like you describe. For me, the game-changer has been getting a RocketBook. It’s handwriting recognition is about 98% accurate for me, so it only takes a few minutes for me to scan some pages, drag the emailed text file into VS Code, join lines into paragraphs, and check for typos. Gives me a chance to review what I wrote too. Then it goes from there into a plain text file (or more recently, WorkFlowy) which is my preferred system. I started with the free PDFs that RocketBook makes available, but finally bought one mostly because I wanted to pay for their server resources. :-)

        • By bachmeier 2020-06-0715:301 reply

          The RocketBook is actually what got me started on this. My pen died, so I started using the OneNote app (service provided by my employer) and it's worked well enough. I definitely recommend the RocketBook.

    • By drannex 2020-06-0719:50

      > diagrams and write equations

      This is why, for digital use (since I cannot write without pain these days), Microsoft Word is imo the best digital notes software. Full text search, tag integration (#tag), images, hyperlinks, tables, diagrams, equations, and macros (Macros are incredibly awesome.)

      There is OneNote but I dislike the org structure and the walled garden approach.

    • By dmortin 2020-06-0710:482 reply

      Zettelkasten can be done on paper too. Its point is making connections between notes and being able to do discover new connections giving you new insights.

      Simple note taking just records what you know and think. ZH can lead to new understandings of the same set of notes.

      • By fsloth 2020-06-0712:00

        You can use a date as a "link" in a notebook. A normal person does not create that many different entries per day. You can add a keyword to the notebook margin as well if you feel particularly systematic (then a link/reference would be 18jul23 for example).

      • By DelightOne 2020-06-0713:381 reply

        This sounds time-consuming, is it?

        I dont see myself following permanent links by timestamp. It is so time-consuming and error-prone, I would drop the whole thing immediately. I know myself this far anyway^^

        • By Scarblac 2020-06-0717:54

          The idea is that it is a _good thing_ that it is time consuming, as thinking about the connections between the notes _is_ the actual productive work that you have the system for.

    • By mellosouls 2020-06-0711:57

      Another major benefit of pen on paper is it's far less tiring, at least for me. I find staring at screens for extended periods utterly draining and often use paper for notes and code reading.

      Major disadvantages - lack of relatively easy search, security, duplication, archiving, integration, accessibility to others, etc.

      So it's a complementary tool for me, but the digital-only brigade are missing a useful, and - vital to some - dimension.

    • By amai 2020-06-0718:46

      Searching for information in analog notebooks can be a pain. Also they might get lost, spilled over with water, burned, eaten by the dog, etc... easily. In that respect digital notes with a backup in the cloud are superior.

      However I agree that no digital solution beats paper so far when it comes to drawing diagrams or writing mathematical formulas. However the conversion of handwriting to LateX by https://webdemo.myscript.com/ is quite impressive.

    • By stewbrew 2020-06-0714:13

      Similar approach. I use loose a4 paper in a binder, which can be more easily scanned and ordered by project etc. later on.

  • By DecayingOrganic 2020-06-079:369 reply

    I'm wondering: is there _any_ empirical data that shows that good old note-taking with a pen and paper is less effective when compared to Zettelkasten note-taking? (Disregarding advantages of digital note-taking such as easy to search, etc.)

    I personally use successive relearning, sometimes also referred to as retrieval-based learning, it's not a note-taking technique per se, but more of a framework on how to learn/study in a way that maximizes retention and meaningful learning.

    If anyone's interested in it, here are some resources:

    http://memory.psych.purdue.edu/downloads/2012_Karpicke_CDPS....

    https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10648-012-920...

    http://memory.psych.purdue.edu/downloads/2014_Karpicke_Lehma...

    • By madballster 2020-06-0714:56

      Remember: Luhmann's original Zettelkasten is pen and paper, see image link https://m.westfalen-blatt.de/var/storage/images/wb/startseit...

      It's only the latest hype around digital Zettelkastens that tout the supposed benefits of mass-linking notes or generating fancy graphs (which I find to be a gimmick with little practical value).

      Like any note taking system: Your potential output is what and how much you put into it. No note taking solution - digital or analog - magically produces results without countless hours of input.

    • By vicek22 2020-06-079:443 reply

      Sönke Ahrens describes a scenario that got me sold:

      Normal notes are fighting complexity by creating smaller and smaller categories of notes

      Example:

      splitting "engineering notes" to "software notes" and "technical writing notes"

      and then "software notes" to "java notes" and "design notes"

      And this way the notes get deeper and deeper in your notebook and you stop interacting with them.

      This described well my personal experience.

      ----

      Zettelkasten fights this complexity by much more up-front work when adding and linking note, instead of a tree structure, you have a network.

      • By deltron3030 2020-06-0711:10

        Key for non Zettelkästen is to refactor notes and delete/store those older notes, this way you also throw away part of that nested hierarchy. You simply combine it with your own trajectory and ongoing inevitable specialization, software notes would house the notes about software that you actually use.

        I'm not a big fan of Zettelkästen for this reason, there is no need for those if you go through note refactors and make it a yearly routine (I combine it with OS reinstalls and trying new programs). I don't care about note program longevity for this reason, I'm not bound to a particular program because refactoring also means rewriting many notes from scratch, based on older notes and current knowledge.

        This refactoring/rewriting is also a good refresher and helpful for really internalizing broader concepts (which you then can apply to other seemingly similar areas).

      • By dmortin 2020-06-0710:431 reply

        You can have tags instead of hierarchy and then you also have a network.

        So instead of "java notes" and "design notes" you add the "java" and "design" tag, etc., so you can approach your notes in any direction: you can find "java" notes and then narrow the result sets to design notes (so java+design), and vice versa.

        And you can add links too between the nodes, so you can also walk them in any order you define.

        Existing tools can do this already, it's just a matter of using them.

        Is there any more to zettelkasten? Its author invented the same thing on paper notes, but digital tools provide this naturally.

        • By henrikeh 2020-06-0711:101 reply

          What more do you want?

          Zettelkasten is very simple and that is the point: You create small and connected notes. This constraint turns out to be useful for research and writing for some people.

          There is no trick or secret to it.

          • By bosie 2020-06-0712:371 reply

            hm, now that i am reading this, would that basically be the equivalent of paragraph tagging/paragraph connections in a longer document?

            i.e. you use one note document for 1 specific book and it might be 1500 words. but instead of linking the documents, you link specific words/paragraphs to other notes/paragraphs?

            • By henrikeh 2020-06-0712:521 reply

              Yes, you could easily create a Zettelkasten in a single file. Or with pen and paper.

              The gist is focused and self-contained notes, linked together to form structure and connections. A personal wiki with attention of recontextualization.

              • By bosie 2020-06-0713:002 reply

                That wasn't necessarily my point. I cannot visiualise how you use self-contained notes for something like book notes or meeting notes, browsing random links just seems completely inefficient and not transporting the actual meaning/context of the notes

                • By kd5bjo 2020-06-0714:09

                  The primary change of thinking that a Zettelkasten system requires is giving up the idea of keeping notes about a book or meeting. Instead, keep notes about topics you care about, using the book or meeting as a source.

                • By henrikeh 2020-06-0714:081 reply

                  You are not browsing the notes at “random”. You read your notes because you are working on something and what to see how your collection of notes might help you.

                  It takes effort to support this workflow. Notes have to be self-contained and of a somewhat permanent relevance. You don’t put raw reading and meeting notes there.

                  • By bosie 2020-06-0715:08

                    Thanks, that helped. Very different from my current workflow indeed.

      • By kiba 2020-06-0710:231 reply

        Zettelkasten fights this complexity by much more up-front work when adding and linking note, instead of a tree structure, you have a network.

        I wonder if I am doing it wrong. I certainly organize my notes into tree format when I am doing intensive reading on a book. This is to keep my head straight on what topics had been touched on by that book.

        On occasions, I do opportunistic linking, however.

        • By kd5bjo 2020-06-0710:35

          > This is to keep my head straight on what topics had been touched on by that book.

          Most of the time, it’s more be beneficial to file notes according to the situation in which they’ll be useful rather than where they came from: If you’re going to have a tree structure, the original sources should be out at the leaves as external references rather than the root. This manifests in many forms from lots of different people giving advice:

          In Getting Things Done, Allen spends a lot of time on the importance of organizing your todo lists by where you’ll be able to do the actions.

          Luhmann used his original Zettelkasten to store passages that he could pull to make drafts of papers, and cross-referenced them to other passages that could be included together.

          In How to Write a Thesis, Eco recommends writing a preliminary outline of your thesis and then tagging notes with the section number they’re relevant to.

          In his MasterClass series, Chris Hadfield emphasizes the benefit of collecting summary notes organized by the interface you’ll see when actually performing an activity.

    • By learnstats2 2020-06-079:531 reply

      I have personally always found that the act of conscious note-taking is more important than the ability to search afterwards.

      I generally take notes on paper and very rarely look at them afterwards.

      • By bosie 2020-06-0711:541 reply

        I am wondering, are you selective on what you take notes too or just take lots of notes? I.e. do you take lots of notes in meetings and every website/paper/book you are reading?

        • By learnstats2 2020-06-0720:28

          Personally?

          I note down some thoughts or tasks every day and carry a journal around for that.

          I usually get more value out of (work) meetings if I do take notes. I usually take notes but prefer not to if I'm chairing/leading the meeting.

          I rarely take notes on what I have read, unless it's something I am actively learning.

    • By Scarblac 2020-06-0713:50

      It depends on the goal.

      Your goal is to learn things, apparently. Memorize what you wrote on the notes.

      Zettelkasten's isn't. Its goal is to produce great books and papers.

    • By kd5bjo 2020-06-0711:07

      As far as I can tell, the crosslinking required by the Zettelkasten approach (1) provides two main benefits:

      - It forces some retrieval practice of the notes you’ve taken before, which reinforces all the ideas involved.

      - Most of the benefit comes from the act of writing, but there’s an inevitable sense of futility that comes about if those writings are inevitably lost to time. By giving each note an ongoing purpose (to be linked to), the Zettelkasten system dodges this particular trigger to stop writing notes.

      (1) as used by Luhmann; not necessarily any of the electronic tools

    • By _y5hn 2020-06-0710:06

      Research is difficult and results don't generalize that well. People are so different. Some can remember anything they read, while others don't remember even if they do take notes.

      A better approach is also difficult, ie. asking yourself, do I need better note-taking and memorization of topics? Due to Dunner-Kruger effects, we rarely ponder this. Nowadays, a websearch is a very quick and accessible cop-out and, in many cases (not all), more effective.

      Research typically show that pencil and paper works best for memorization. In my experience, I never refer to these notes later however. Wiki was a good idea in 1995, but taking notes shouldn't require arcane knowledge and have arbitrary implementation limits. Markdown is slightly better. As a tool, I prefer WYSIWYG into an accessible format.

      For TODO-notes, a simple text-file serve me well. However, for note-taking that I want to refer to later, mindmaps works best digitally in my personal experience, both for memorization and reference.

      A free version, though a bit limited, is FreeMind. Works well enough to navigate to find what you need, provided proper node names and structure.

    • By dunefox 2020-06-0710:15

      I don't think that the note taking part itself with a physical notebook can be beaten, yet a digital Zettelkasten has huge advantages that come after the note taking part: add links, images, formulas, search, etc.

    • By fsloth 2020-06-0712:052 reply

      There is single well known datapoint - the prodigiously productive humanist researcher Luhmann who invented the method.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Luhmann

      The main reason it's so hip because Luhmann used it.

      So, if your work is similar to Luhmanns and your cognitive profile is similar to Luhmans it makes perfect sense to try it out.

      But I have no idea how you could test it's effectiveness in any sense that would provide results that are scientifically or statistically sane in any way.

      Personally I've tried a "zettelkasten light" and I've found that I can keep my personal random research findings better organized that way - so instead of having just a page in a notebook, building an actual index of the notes as well, and linking thematically identical topics together seems to keep my thoughts better together. Been doing it only for a few months, though, need to see what I think about it in few years.

      • By stewbrew 2020-06-0714:172 reply

        IMHO he is also the best example for why this method doesn't work that well. His books lack focus. They are collection of thoughts with no mention of the sources. I say this as a trained sociologist who once was a proponent of his ideas.

        • By Zeminary 2020-06-0715:42

          Can you expand on that? Everyone talks about Zettelkasten but not the products of Zettelkasten. It'd be nice to know more about your opinion on Luhmann's work.

        • By marttt 2020-06-086:511 reply

          This is anecdotal, but I recall reading somewhere (maybe in a foreword) that e.g. Luhmann's "Social Systems" (1984; English translation 1985) was composed this way in purpose. The reader was supposed to be able to start the book from any chapter without feeling that he/she is missing something.

          But, once more, this is anecdotal recall.

          A similarly structured contemporary book is David Fleming's "Lean Logic: Dictionary for the Future and How to Survive It" [1]. A true masterpiece of composition IMO, and a work that took the author 30 years.

          Interestingly, this work ethic also links to Luhmann's views on the time span of research relevant to him. Quoting a paper I found on the matter [2]:

          " In 1962 he received a scholarship to Harvard and spent a year with Talcott Parsons. In 1968, he was appointed professor of sociology at the newly established University of Bielefeld, where he worked until his retirement. Shortly before his appointment he was asked on what subject he wished to work at university. His reply was: “The theory of modern society. Duration 30 years; no costs.” He consequently realised exactly this theoretical program. At the time of his death in December 1998, at the age of 70, he had published an oeuvre of over 14,000 printed pages."

          [1]: https://www.amazon.com/Lean-Logic-Dictionary-Future-Survive/...

          [2]: https://www.academia.edu/17063506/The_Legacy_of_Niklas_Luhma... Reference: Bechmann, G., and N. Stehr. "The Legacy of Niklas Luhmann. Society, January/February 2002.

          • By stewbrew 2020-06-096:00

            The problem is that for many years his work was way to overrated in German speaking countries. His work also promoted the decline of sociology into irrelevance. One could argue though that his popularity was rather a symptom than the cause for this.

      • By trms 2020-06-0716:07

        This. ZK works very well, but not in all areas. People in the humanities are more likely to benefit from it than, say, software engineers. I tried making software-related notes in a ZK and it just didn't _feel_ right. Maybe I should give it another go.

    • By qznc 2020-06-079:41

      Zettelkasten in its physical version is just a certain way of pen and paper note-taking.

  • By zelphirkalt 2020-06-0711:542 reply

    What, no Emacs org-mode comment so far? (Only searched for "org" and "org-mode" in the comments, superficially.) I guess I'll go ahead then:

    People have apparently implemented this workflow of note taking in their org-mode usage. Here are a few quick search results:

    * https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/100/zettels-and-org... (also mentions org-brain) * https://www.reddit.com/r/Zettelkasten/comments/fq54g5/using_...

    Org-mode is my go-to tool for any kind of notes or document, sometimes even for PDFs I want to make, via latex export and then latexmk. I find it more comfortable to use for literate programming than Jupyter notebooks too.

    • By e19293001 2020-06-0713:242 reply

      Thank you for mentioning org-mode. I was actually finding a good set-up. You're comment leads me to this blog[0] that I end-up following this set-up which is quite very simple.

      On the other hand, I recently saw a lot of Zettelkasten articles. I'm not sure if its been hyped but I still would like to give it a try. When I found emacs, I gave it a try (it was hard) and eventually I begin to like it because of its tons of features. When I found org-mode, I gave it a try and then I like it and use it everyday. When I found org-babel, I gave it a try and then I like it. When ... ... ...

      I hope more people would like to try emacs and org-mode. I know: learning at first is pretty hard. My advise it just to use it everyday. I remember I uninstalled notepad++ from my PC in order to force my self to use emacs. It took a month for my brain to be comfortable using emacs.

      [0] - https://dpitt.me/blog/2020/03/zettelkasten/

      • By pcnix 2020-06-0714:24

        You can also check out Zetteldeft, a deft based org mode extension that adds a bunch of useful shortcuts.

      • By jyriand 2020-06-0717:15

        There us also org-roam that’s based on Roam Research app

    • By bloopernova 2020-06-0715:33

      Org-roam is great for Zettelkasten style personal knowledge base wiki. It builds on org-mode and shows the backlinks that make a Roam database so useful.

      https://org-roam.readthedocs.io/en/master/

      Based on the really nice personal wiki style knowledge base at https://roamresearch.com/

      For those of us struggling with just what Roam or Zettelkasten are, or are wondering why not just use a wiki: Roam is to a wiki what Markdown is to a text editor. That is to say it's a more focused usage of the editor, with helper functions designed to streamline the workflow that is part of the Roam/Zettelkasten "system"

      ----

      My own setup in Spacemacs (Emacs with Vim-like leader-key composed functions) is arranged around a Zettelkasten/Roam wiki with daily journal notes and TODO items. (Org-mode is a fantastically complex piece of code, listing its features for organization would take too long, but this has some: https://orgmode.org/features.html )

      Daily note-taking is done in org-journal, with TODO items scattered in the notes. Creating a new day's note brings forward all the unfinished org-mode TODO items into the new document. More complex stuff gets linked to as an external document. Example: 2020-06-07.org may have an entry "Write new disaster recovery requirements" and within that entry have a link to the "ProjectName Disaster Recovery Requirements" document. The markup in org-mode for that task now that I'm working on it, looks like this:

          * DOING [#A] Write new disaster recovery requirements
          :LOGBOOK:
          - State "NEXT"       from "TODO"       [2020-06-05 Fri 16:14]
          - State "DOING"      from "TODO"       [2020-06-06 Sat 12:07]
          :END:
          [[file:~/Org/projectname_disaster_recovery_requirements.org][ProjectName Disaster Recovery Requirements]]
      
      But is displayed like this:

          * DOING [#A] Write new disaster recovery requirements...
            ProjectName Disaster Recovery Requirements
      
      (That second line is a clickable link)

      Now when I have the disaster recovery requirements file open, org-roam will show me which docs link to it. Which provides a big boost to my recall of important or associated things. For example the backlinks window shows me I linked to the disaster recovery doc from meeting notes a couple of months old. To refresh my memory I click through and read the meeting notes, to discover someone mentioned a new feature of our software that makes disaster recovery more difficult, or some new corporate policy that affects how we store backups, etc etc.

      ----

      Why should people care about this? In my opinion, it's because we as "computer people" have a vast amount of knowledge we are expected to be able to use on whatever problems we encounter in our work. I think we need all the help we can get to remember that knowledge and its relevance to a given situation or subject. I personally am pretty loose about how I write my personal knowledge base, I don't write theses or long-form articles with perfect bibtex references, but I do try to get what I'm doing into text form so I can search for it later on.

      I'm excited to see how this "personal knowledge management" ecosystem grows and develops. We're only human but we're expected to manage godlike amounts of information.

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